versorgungsrechtlich

English translation: [mental disorder that] had been recognised as making him eligible for disability benefits

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German term or phrase:[psychische Störung, die] versorgungsrechtlich Anerkennung gefunden hätte
English translation:[mental disorder that] had been recognised as making him eligible for disability benefits
Entered by: Sebastian Witte

19:21 Jul 23, 2021
German to English translations [PRO]
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German term or phrase: versorgungsrechtlich
DE:
Er bezog sich auf eine Jahrzehntelang übergreifende psychische Störung, die in seinem Heimatland behandelt auch ***versorgungsrechtlich Anerkennung gefunden hätte***, ohne hierfür medizinische Befunde vorlegen zu können, die er aber angeblich besorgen könne).

EN:
He made reference to an overarching mental disorder that he had had for years, which had also been treated in his own country and ***recognised as making him eligible under occupational assistance law***, without being able to exhibit any medical findings to support his statement, in regard to which he did, however, allege that he could obtain them).

Is this something to do with government or professional aid under the West Asian law of reduced earning capacity or incapacity for work owing to that mental disorder? In any case, I need help with the phrasing. The translation does not require certification.

Textual background and context: highly confidential.

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Sebastian Witte
Germany
Local time: 10:15
entitled to disability benefits
Explanation:

He referred to a serious psychiatric disorder spanning decades, which had it been treated in his home country; he would have also been entitled to disability benefits. However, he is unable to submit any supporting medical findings for this but says that he would be able to obtain them.

A mental health condition is considered a disability if it has a long-term effect on your normal day-to-day activity. This is defined under the Equality Act 2010

If your mental health condition means you are disabled you can get support at work from your employer

https://www.gov.uk/when-mental-health-condition-becomes-disa...

Disability Living Allowance (DLA) is a benefit for people who need help with their personal care, need supervision and/or need help with getting around.

https://www.rethink.org/advice-and-information/rights-restri...

Die Sozialmedizin ist ein interdisziplinäres Grundlagenfach der Humanmedizin, welches die Wechselwirkungen zwischen Krankheit, Gesundheit, Individuum und Gesellschaft sowie Organisationsstrukturen des Gesundheitswesens und des medizinischen Versorgungssystems analysiert, beschreibt und Strategien zur Prävention und Bekämpfung von Krankheiten entwickelt

Fachärzte in Deutschland können die Zusatzbezeichnung Sozialmedizin erlangen. Die Weiterbildung (Musterweiterbildungsordnung der Bundesärztekammer 2010; Groner et al 2006) sieht als Inhalte vor den Erwerb von Kenntnissen, Erfahrungen und Fertigkeiten in

den Aufgaben und Strukturen der Sozialleistungsträger, z.B. Kranken-, Pflege-, Rente-, und Unfallversicherung, Arbeits- und Versorgungsverwaltung, Sozialhilfe und Sozialleistungen im öffentlichen Dienst

https://publikationsserver.tu-braunschweig.de/servlets/MCRFi...

Die Versorgungsverwaltung hat Aufgaben im Rahmen der sozialen Sicherung, im Bereich des Sozialen Entschädigungsrechts und des Schwerbehindertenrechts. Die Versorgungsverwaltung ist bundesweit nicht einheitlich organisiert.

https://www.talentplus.de/lexikon/Lex-Versorgungsverwaltung/

I hope it helps
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3 +2recognized for [pension] benefits purposes
Johanna Timm, PhD
3entitlement to care support/benefits
David Hollywood
3personal recognition
Lisa Rosengard
3entitled to disability benefits
Stuart and Aida Nelson
1in compliance with its occupational safety and health legislation
andres-larsen
Summary of reference entries provided
Versorgungsrecht - psychisch Kranker
Stuart and Aida Nelson

Discussion entries: 6





  

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recognized for [pension] benefits purposes


Explanation:
He mentioned mental health issues that had persisted for decades, had been treated in his home country and had also been recognized for pension benefits purposes, yet (he) was unable to produce any relevant medical documentation, while claiming that he could provide such evidence/proof.

(dies lässt - wie im dt. Original- offen, wo er diese Bezüge in Anspruch genommen hat)

Johanna Timm, PhD
Canada
Local time: 01:15
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agree  Michael Martin, MA
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agree  Adrian MM.: rather with welfare than pension benefits.
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in compliance with its occupational safety and health legislation


Explanation:
He referred to a psychiatric disorder spanning decades which purportedly had been treated in his home country in compliance with its occupational safety and health legislation, without being able to submit any supporting medical findings which he could allegedly obtain as evidence.


Safety and health legislation - Safety and health at ... - EU-OSHA
https://osha.europa.eu › safety-and-health-legislation
European Directives set out minimum requirements and fundamental principles, such as the principle of prevention and risk assessment, as well as the ...

National legislation on safety and health at work - EU-OSHA
https://osha.europa.eu › safety-and-health-legislation
European directives set out the minimum standards for safety and health in the workplace. The EU directives are implemented through the national legislation ...

andres-larsen
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entitlement to care support/benefits


Explanation:
late but might help

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Note added at 7 hrs (2021-07-24 03:10:24 GMT)
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don't think this has anything to do with pensions

David Hollywood
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personal recognition


Explanation:
'versorgungsrechtlich Annerkennung gefunden hätte'
'recognized under pension law, in line with regular pension contributions from a place of employment'

The information suggests that the personal problem is recognized. I understand that the person might wish to claim compensation or financial support due to a reduction in ability to work a full time week, which I believe, in an Asian country is a 38 hour week.
I found two documents on employment laws in Asia. One suggests that international law has been introduced in Asia if there's been a rise in unlawfulness. Another document lists the Asian countries and laws in connection with employment rights, absence leave, holiday entitlements, redundancies and fair or unlawful dismissals, but the particular issue of a person who might work a part time week, less than the full 38 hours is difficult to find.

Example sentence(s):
  • Des besondere Problematik oder Ausgabe einer Person, die eine Teilzeitwoche, weniger als die vollen 38 Stunden, arbeiten könnte, ist shwer zu finden.

    https://www.linklaters.com/-/media/files/linklaters/pdf/mkt/london/global-guide-to-employment-law-in-asia.ashx?rev=49678561-3ec2-44c9-8139-f
    https://www.chathamhouse.org/sites/default/files/CHHJ7378-International-Law-Research-Paper-INT-191031-WEB.pdf
Lisa Rosengard
United Kingdom
Local time: 09:15
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entitled to disability benefits


Explanation:

He referred to a serious psychiatric disorder spanning decades, which had it been treated in his home country; he would have also been entitled to disability benefits. However, he is unable to submit any supporting medical findings for this but says that he would be able to obtain them.

A mental health condition is considered a disability if it has a long-term effect on your normal day-to-day activity. This is defined under the Equality Act 2010

If your mental health condition means you are disabled you can get support at work from your employer

https://www.gov.uk/when-mental-health-condition-becomes-disa...

Disability Living Allowance (DLA) is a benefit for people who need help with their personal care, need supervision and/or need help with getting around.

https://www.rethink.org/advice-and-information/rights-restri...

Die Sozialmedizin ist ein interdisziplinäres Grundlagenfach der Humanmedizin, welches die Wechselwirkungen zwischen Krankheit, Gesundheit, Individuum und Gesellschaft sowie Organisationsstrukturen des Gesundheitswesens und des medizinischen Versorgungssystems analysiert, beschreibt und Strategien zur Prävention und Bekämpfung von Krankheiten entwickelt

Fachärzte in Deutschland können die Zusatzbezeichnung Sozialmedizin erlangen. Die Weiterbildung (Musterweiterbildungsordnung der Bundesärztekammer 2010; Groner et al 2006) sieht als Inhalte vor den Erwerb von Kenntnissen, Erfahrungen und Fertigkeiten in

den Aufgaben und Strukturen der Sozialleistungsträger, z.B. Kranken-, Pflege-, Rente-, und Unfallversicherung, Arbeits- und Versorgungsverwaltung, Sozialhilfe und Sozialleistungen im öffentlichen Dienst

https://publikationsserver.tu-braunschweig.de/servlets/MCRFi...

Die Versorgungsverwaltung hat Aufgaben im Rahmen der sozialen Sicherung, im Bereich des Sozialen Entschädigungsrechts und des Schwerbehindertenrechts. Die Versorgungsverwaltung ist bundesweit nicht einheitlich organisiert.

https://www.talentplus.de/lexikon/Lex-Versorgungsverwaltung/

I hope it helps


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Reference comments


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Reference: Versorgungsrecht - psychisch Kranker

Reference information:
Für den therapeutischen Zugang wie auch z.B. den versorgungsrechtlichen Status gibt es keine scharfe begriffliche Unterscheidung, ob es sich bei dieser Personengruppe um psychisch Kranke oder seelisch Behinderte handelt.

https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=K49dDwAAQBAJ&pg=PA61&lpg...

Da weder ein Versorgungsnetz aufzubauen sei, das 80% der Bevölkerung erfasse, noch Normalitätsbegriff praktikabel sei, der nur 20% als normal erscheinen lasse, müsse man sich auf die diagnostische Fähigkeit der Fachärtze verlassen.

Dieser Aufgabe entspricht der versorgungsrechtliche Krankheitsbegriff nicht mehr.

https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=73WeBgAAQBAJ&pg=PA132&lp...

Psychisch Kranke sind gesellschaftlich und gesundheitspolitisch (noch) nicht körperlich Kranken gleichgestellt, Psychiatrie und Psychotherapie gehören nicht zu den heilkundlichen Kernfächern. Dies liegt auch daran, dass ihr Krankheitsmodell eine grenzüberschreitende Sonderstellung bedingt; nach Aufgaben, Grundkonzeption und methodischem Ansatz fallen die Psycho-Fächer in einen nach vielen Seiten offenen, humanwissenchaftlichen Grenzbereich. Ihre völlige Ausgliederung aus der Medizin würde daher aufgrund dann ungesicherter fachlicher Verankerungen und fehlender versorgungsrechtlicher Ressourcen mit erheblichen Nachteilen für den psychisch Kranken verbunden sein.

https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=LEJ4DwAAQBAJ&pg=PT193&lp...

Versorgung psychisch Kranker

https://www.nuernberg.de/imperia/md/psychosoziale_arbeitsgem...

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