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circular argument

French translation: un débat sans fin

09:47 Jun 8, 2012
English to French translations [PRO]
Bus/Financial - General / Conversation / Greetings / Letters
English term or phrase: circular argument
Bonjour,

Je comprends l'idée que les débats tournent en rond, qu'il s'agit d'un cercle vicieux, mais je n'arrive pas à le formuler.
Merci d'avance. Contexte : crise dette souveraine en Europe

This sounded to the market like a preview of what could be needed for the overall sector, and sent around estimates of additional capital needs ranging from €50 to €90bn. This creates a circular argument on the potential additional burden for the Spanish government and sent the 10 year reference Spanish rate above 6% for most of the month.
Laurence Bourel
France
Local time: 01:20
French translation:un débat sans fin
Explanation:
Une suggestion..
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Tristan Jimenez
France
Local time: 01:20
Grading comment
Merci !

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Summary of answers provided
3 +3un débat sans fin
Tristan Jimenez
4 +2un raisonnement circulaire
HERBET Abel
4 +1Argument circulaire
Cyril B.
3 +1cercle vicieux
Stéphanie Soudais
4retour au point de départ
Mario Larose
3le serpent qui se mord la queue
polyglot45


  

Answers


9 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): +1
Argument circulaire


Explanation:
:)

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Note added at 9 mins (2012-06-08 09:56:54 GMT)
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http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_circulaire

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Note added at 36 mins (2012-06-08 10:23:59 GMT)
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Peut-etre... Ou le contraire :)

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Note added at 40 mins (2012-06-08 10:27:32 GMT)
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ou 'raisonnement circulaire', si tu preferes...

L'original est en latin, 'circulus in probando'.

Cyril B.
France
Native speaker of: French
PRO pts in category: 151
Notes to answerer
Asker: On dirait un calque de l'anglais, non ?


Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  katsy: argument ou raisonnement circulaire, j'entends les deux
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le serpent qui se mord la queue


Explanation:
éventuellement ?

polyglot45
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish, Native in FrenchFrench
PRO pts in category: 547
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1 hr   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5 peer agreement (net): +3
un débat sans fin


Explanation:
Une suggestion..

Tristan Jimenez
France
Local time: 01:20
Specializes in field
Native speaker of: French
PRO pts in category: 60
Grading comment
Merci !

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Alain Boulé
8 mins
  -> merci Alain !
agree  Isabelle-P
48 mins
  -> merci Isabelle !
agree  enrico paoletti
1 day 4 hrs
  -> merci Enrico !
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1 hr   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5 peer agreement (net): +1
cercle vicieux


Explanation:
Cette potentielle charge supplémentaire (les 50-90 milliards) pour le gouvernement entraîne le pays dans un cercle vicieux et son taux à 10 ans a ainsi dépassé les 6 %.

Stéphanie Soudais
France
Local time: 01:20
Works in field
Native speaker of: French
PRO pts in category: 193

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  GILLES MEUNIER
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3 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): +2
un raisonnement circulaire


Explanation:
qui n'en finit pas de tourner

HERBET Abel
Local time: 01:20
Works in field
Native speaker of: French
PRO pts in category: 106

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  katsy
1 hr
agree  C. Tougas
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12 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5
retour au point de départ


Explanation:
Comme on parle de difficulté financière supplémentaire pour l'Espagne, on retournerait au point de départ

Example sentence(s):
  • Cela crée un fardeau fiscale supplémentaire et nous ramène au point de départ.
Mario Larose
Canada
Local time: 19:20
Native speaker of: French
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