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Spanish to English translations [PRO] Law/Patents - Law (general) / Notary term | |||||||
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4 +2 | folded double folio |
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folded double folio Explanation: A pliego is a large sheet of paper folded once to make four pages (not four sheets, just two). This is actually the first definition in the DLE: "1. m. Pieza de papel de forma cuadrangular, doblada por el medio, o con dos o más dobleces si está impreso." http://dle.rae.es/?id=TPoJ3MB The second half of this definition refers to the use of the term in printed books; I'll come back to that in a moment. Your document makes it clear that this (the first half of the above definition) is what it means, because a pliego, according to it, has four planas. Plana means page. Now, in English this is very confusing, because the correct word for it is actually folio. The first dictionary definition of folio in Collins (British English) is: "folio 1. a sheet of paper folded in half to make two leaves for a book or manuscript" https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/folio And similar definitions of "folio" are found in other dictionaries. But the problem is, of course, that folio has another more familiar meaning in the notarial context, namely a leaf (of paper): "3. a leaf of paper or parchment numbered on the front side only" (Collins, ibid.) And of course it can mean that in Spanish too; see DLE: "folio 1. m. Hoja de un libro o de un cuaderno. 3. m. Hoja de papel que resulta de doblar una vez el pliego de marca ordinaria." Note definition 3: fold a pliego once and you have two folios (two sheets, four pages). In book printing, folio also means a page size, normally about 15 inches high. The point is that in the old days printers used various sizes of paper, but basically they used sheets that were about double the size of a folio-sized book, and folded them once, to form what is itself called a folio. If they printed one page of the book on each page of this "folio" (folded down the middle, so two sides, front and back of each side), then it produced a folio volume. If they folded their basic large sheet again (i.e. folded it twice), they had room for eight smaller pages, and a book bound like that is called quarto. Fold it again and each large sheet will take sixteen pages; print and bind that and you have an octavo volume. This is what the second half of the DLE definition is referring to when it says "o con dos o más dobleces si está impreso": "con dos dobleces" corresponds to quarto in printed books. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Folio But leaving aside printed books, a pliego for notarial purposes is a large sheet of paper folded once down the middle and used like that, producing a folio in Collins sense 1 (pliego in DLE sense 1), consisting of two sheets or folios in Collins sense 3 (folios) joined at the fold, corresponding to four pages (planas). I hope you're with me. What this means is that although pliego can be correctly translated as "folio", relying on one of the dictionary definitions of "folio" in English, it's almost bound to be misunderstood if you do, because of the other prevailing and much more familiar definition of "folio" in this context (Collins definition 3). So I suggest "folded double folio" to make it clear. As an example, see this description of a "Double folio from a Qur’an" in the Louvre. The illustration (which you need Flash to see) shows that this is exactly a "pliego": a large sheet folded once to form four pages and used in landscape format. The description makes this clear too: there are two folios (in the sense of sheets), each with a front and back (recto and verso), making four pages "folio 1, recto: beginning of sura 56 up to verse 9. folio 1, verso: sura 56, verses 9 to 20. folio 2, recto: sura 57, verses 9 to 11. folio 2, verso: sura 57, verses 11 to 13." https://www.louvre.fr/en/oeuvre-notices/double-folio-qur -------------------------------------------------- Note added at 3 hrs (2018-11-23 03:08:50 GMT) -------------------------------------------------- Just to be clear (I hope!), in your text "hojas" means individual cut sheets of paper of folio size (approx. large A4) and "pliegos" means sheets of twice this size (known as "double folio" size in English) folded once to produce two sheets of folio size (two folios, as we would normally say). -------------------------------------------------- Note added at 3 hrs (2018-11-23 03:18:33 GMT) -------------------------------------------------- I think you could probably just use "double folio", omitting "folded", after the first time. -------------------------------------------------- Note added at 3 hrs (2018-11-23 03:23:24 GMT) -------------------------------------------------- Last part of main entry on the Louvre Qur'an double folio: I meant in portrait format, not landscape: sorry! -------------------------------------------------- Note added at 7 hrs (2018-11-23 07:23:32 GMT) -------------------------------------------------- The above would have been a bit clearer if I had not muddled "sheet" and "leaf". A pliego doesn't have two sheets; it has two leaves. If you cut a sheet in half you have two sheets, but if you fold it in half you still have one sheet but you now have two leaves. -------------------------------------------------- Note added at 1 day 1 hr (2018-11-24 01:15:06 GMT) -------------------------------------------------- Cada loco con su tema, as they say :-) |
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