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none the less so

Spanish translation: y ello a pesar de que

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English term or phrase:none the less so
Spanish translation:y ello a pesar de que
Entered by: César Cornejo Fuster

10:18 Jun 14, 2022
English to Spanish translations [PRO]
Law/Patents - Law (general) / Fitness for purpose
English term or phrase: none the less so
Aparece en una sentencia de principios del siglo XX del King's Bench de Inglaterra y Gales.

La traducción es para España.

"The proviso at the end of s. 14, sub-s. 1, of the Sale of Goods Act, 1898, applies, and consequently there was no implied condition as to the fitness of these specified articles for the particular purpose for which they were wanted.

The articles did in fact answer the description of them in the contract and ***none the less so*** because the defects were patent, latent, or discoverable: Randall v. Newson. The particular articles ordered by the contract having delivered, there was no implied warranty that they should be fit for the purposes of the plaintiff's traffic."
César Cornejo Fuster
Local time: 11:50
y ello a pesar de que
Explanation:
Yo entiendo la frase así, espero que te sea de ayuda:
"Los artículos de hecho se correspondían con la descripción que de ellos se hacía en el contrato, y ello a pesar de que los defectos eran patentes..."
Selected response from:

Alicia Naranjo Pérez-Zamora
Spain
Local time: 10:50
Grading comment
Muchas gracias.
4 KudoZ points were awarded for this answer



Summary of answers provided
3 +8y ello a pesar de que
Alicia Naranjo Pérez-Zamora
5 +1no obstante así
Eileen Brophy
4 +1no tanto porque
Wilsonn Perez Reyes
4 +1y lo hacían aún cuando / y lo hacían en forma independiente de que / u otros fraseos
Daniel Delgado
4no en grado menor
Jennifer Levey
4 -1a pesar de esto
Marcelo Viera


  

Answers


21 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): -1
a pesar de esto


Explanation:
The adverb nonetheless means the same as "nevertheless". It refers to what has just been mentioned. (a pesar de eso, )

Marcelo Viera
Uruguay
Local time: 06:50
Native speaker of: Spanish
PRO pts in category: 32

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
disagree  Jennifer Levey: "none the less" (separate words) does not mean the same as "nonetheless" (all one word).))
7 hrs
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22 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 5/5 peer agreement (net): +1
no obstante así


Explanation:
This is my way of saying"none the less so" in Spanish

Eileen Brophy
Spain
Local time: 11:50
Works in field
Native speaker of: English
PRO pts in category: 24

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  François Tardif: Sí, pero “no obstante que los defectos fueran…” o “no obstante los defectos patentes, latentes…”//Understood, but I was just adapting your answer to the actual context. Cheers! 😉
5 hrs
  -> I only translated the question asked, the rest is to be decided by César
neutral  Jennifer Levey: I don't see the expression "less so" reflected in your answer.//If you found it confirmed, why not post a link? I suspect you're making the same mistake as Marcelo.// I did, ages ago...
7 hrs
  -> It depends how you interpret what I have written in Spanish Jennifer!! You only criticise everyone!! Why don't you post your own translation??!!
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24 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): +1
none the less so because
no tanto porque


Explanation:
The articles did in fact answer the description of them in the contract and ***none the less so*** because the defects were patent, latent, or discoverable.

Los artículos respondían, de hecho, a la descripción de ellos en el contrato, y no tanto porque los defectos fueran patentes, latentes o visibles/detectables/reconocibles.




Wilsonn Perez Reyes
El Salvador
Local time: 03:50
Specializes in field
Native speaker of: Native in SpanishSpanish
PRO pts in category: 361

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Mónica Algazi: Tiene sentido.
51 mins
neutral  Jennifer Levey: I don't see the expression "less so" reflected in your answer.
7 hrs
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33 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5 peer agreement (net): +8
y ello a pesar de que


Explanation:
Yo entiendo la frase así, espero que te sea de ayuda:
"Los artículos de hecho se correspondían con la descripción que de ellos se hacía en el contrato, y ello a pesar de que los defectos eran patentes..."


Alicia Naranjo Pérez-Zamora
Spain
Local time: 10:50
Specializes in field
Native speaker of: Native in SpanishSpanish
PRO pts in category: 12
Grading comment
Muchas gracias.

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Toni Castano: Creo que esta es la interpretación correcta. Los artículos presentaban defectos, sí, pero nada en el contrato especificaba (primer párrafo) que la mercancía tuviese que responder a un estado “implícito” para el fin concreto de su compra.
1 hr
agree  patinba
2 hrs
agree  Juan Gil
2 hrs
agree  Manuel Aburto: De acuerdo con Alicia.
3 hrs
agree  François Tardif: Y, ello, a pesar de que los defectos fueran…”
5 hrs
agree  Eileen Brophy: I only translated "none the less so" the rest is up to the person working on the project François
5 hrs
neutral  Jennifer Levey: I don't see the expression "less so" reflected in your answer.
7 hrs
agree  abe(L)solano
1 day 7 hrs
agree  MollyRose
1 day 8 hrs
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3 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): +1
and none the less so because
y lo hacían aún cuando / y lo hacían en forma independiente de que / u otros fraseos


Explanation:
La expresión completa "and none the less so because" es utilizada con bastante frecuencia en material judicial en inglés, incluso en la actualidad, como puede verse en muchos de los resultados en la siguiente búsqueda:
https://www.google.com/search?q="and none the less so becaus...

Copio un par de ejemplos:

"Such offer was a single offense, and none the less so because it embraced several things, each and all of which were illegal."
https://casetext.com/case/read-v-people-of-the-state-of-new-...

"... it is a contract to pay money, and none the less so because it designates for payment one of the two kinds of money which the law has made a legal tender in discharge of money obligations."
https://www.law.cornell.edu/supremecourt/text/95/694

La estructura es: "X and none the less so because Y". Y el significado de la estructura es que X es verdad a pesar de que Y también es verdad.

Es decir, a pesar de que Y podría poner en duda X, se afirma que X es verdadero independientemente de Y.

En el texto que se está analizando, se dice que las mercaderías correspondían a la descripción de ellas en el contrato (verdad X). Y que eso era verdad aún si los defectos de las mercaderías fueran evidentes, latentes o detectables. En este caso "Y" en lugar de ser solo una verdad, son tres verdades separadas por el "O" lógico ("OR") (son temas de lógica formal).

Entonces, en español el texto
"The articles did in fact answer the description of them in the contract ***and none the less so because*** the defects were patent, latent, or discoverable"
dice:
"Las mercaderías de hecho respondían a su descripción en el contrato, ***y lo hacían aún cuando*** los defectos fueran evidentes, latentes o detectables."

Otra forma clara de expresarlo:
"Las mercaderías de hecho respondían a su descripción en el contrato, ***y lo hacían en forma independiente de que** los defectos fueran evidentes, latentes o detectables."

Una vez que el sentido queda claro, hay diversas formas de expresarlo en español.


Daniel Delgado
Argentina
Local time: 06:50
Native speaker of: Spanish
PRO pts in category: 28

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
neutral  Jennifer Levey: I don't see the expression "less so" reflected accurately in any part of your explanation or multiple translations.
5 hrs
agree  MollyRose: aun cuando, without accent
1 day 6 hrs
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8 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5
no en grado menor


Explanation:
The articles did in fact answer the description of them in the contract and none the less so because the defects ...
--> something like:
De hecho, los artículos sí correspondían con lo descrito en el contrato; no en menor grado lo anterior considerando que los defectos ...

http://www.presenttruthmag.com/spanish/Elzarandeo/1a.html
Existía la demanda, y no en grado menor por parte del laicado, de una explicación.

https://www.facebook.com/pages/category/Hostel/El-hostal-cas...
El nazismo se especificó, entre varias cosas, por su política de exterminio que incluyó, y no en grado menor, a los pacientes "incurables", entre ellos los ...



Jennifer Levey
Chile
Local time: 05:50
Specializes in field
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 121

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
neutral  François Tardif: Neither the En phrase nor your SP phrase make any real sense in MHO…
1 day 42 mins
neutral  MollyRose: This can work in the contexts you gave, but the meaning is different from the Asker's text.
1 day 1 hr
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