Solera Fundacional

English translation: first/initial/earliest/original vintages

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Spanish term or phrase:Solera Fundacional
English translation:first/initial/earliest/original vintages
Entered by: Justin Peterson

09:56 Apr 10, 2024
Spanish to English translations [PRO]
Wine / Oenology / Viticulture / wine
Spanish term or phrase: Solera Fundacional
Verás los cachones de botas que pasan por los altos arcos que recuerdan a la Mezquita y llegan hasta la Sacristía, donde se encuentra el resultado de años de crianza y duermen las ***Soleras Fundacionales*** de 1905 con puntuaciones Parker de 100 puntos.

Foundational Vintages?
First Vintages?

BTW, the cachones are rows ; )
Justin Peterson
Spain
Local time: 22:45
first/initial/earliest/original vintages
Explanation:
'Due to the limited nature of these bottles, they are becoming increasingly difficult to source, particularly the original vintages from the 1980s.'
https://thefinestbubble.com/news-and-reviews/the-taittinger-...

https://www.vinetur.com/2020110362319/osborne-ensena-las-sol...
'La colección de vinos RARE o singulares está compuesta por cinco tesoros familiares que cuentan 5 historias singulares. Durante siglos, la familia Osborne ha mantenido una pequeña colección privada de las mejores soleras fundacionales, las que dan origen a esta casa, para su propio consumo.'
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Adoración Bodoque Martínez
Ireland
Grading comment
I agree. Calling it a solera doesn't help the reader much.
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Summary of answers provided
4 +3Foundation solera
patinba
4 +1first/initial/earliest/original vintages
Adoración Bodoque Martínez
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@ Justin
Jane Martin

  

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first/initial/earliest/original vintages


Explanation:
'Due to the limited nature of these bottles, they are becoming increasingly difficult to source, particularly the original vintages from the 1980s.'
https://thefinestbubble.com/news-and-reviews/the-taittinger-...

https://www.vinetur.com/2020110362319/osborne-ensena-las-sol...
'La colección de vinos RARE o singulares está compuesta por cinco tesoros familiares que cuentan 5 historias singulares. Durante siglos, la familia Osborne ha mantenido una pequeña colección privada de las mejores soleras fundacionales, las que dan origen a esta casa, para su propio consumo.'

Adoración Bodoque Martínez
Ireland
Native speaker of: Native in SpanishSpanish
PRO pts in category: 8
Grading comment
I agree. Calling it a solera doesn't help the reader much.

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Adrian MM.: makes sense in English / Irish, despite this weblink: https://www.proz.com/kudoz/spanish-to-english/wine-oenology-...
8 hrs
  -> Thank you, Adrian.
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2 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): +3
Foundation solera


Explanation:
The starting point for the process.

These are all top notch Sherries, easily the equal of many of the record breaking Clarets and Burgundies in terms of quality, and often much older, so amazing value. But this age thing is a problem. Most fine wines carry a vintage date so one knows how old they are, but Sherry very rarely does, and one comes across it for sale with the solera foundation date mistaken for the vintage, and a price to match, even though the word “solera” appears on the label! A quick glance at the bottle would tell most people the wine could not possibly be that age – I saw an “1830” with a plastic top! I believe it is generally ignorance rather than dishonesty.

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Toro Albalá Viejísimo Amontillado 50cl

O'Briens Wine
https://www.obrienswine.ie › products
From a foundation solera dating to 1922, this is a complex and dry Amontillado from the small Montilla-Moriles region of central Andalucía.

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Ageing in Jerez: The Solera System
http://jerez-xeres-sherry.blogspot.com › 2013/12 › agein...
"solera foundation" from jerez-xeres-sherry.blogspot.com
Dec 30, 2013 — Some brands of Sherry include the date of the Solera's foundation, (eg Gonzalez Byass Solera 1847) but this should not be mistaken for a vintage ...

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The system of maturation is called solera. Take fortified base wine, fill the butt, and set this butt on the floor of the warehouse called bodega. We just founded a new solera. Next year fill another butt with a new base wine and set above the original one. Repeat the procedure 3-14 times. Solera is made.

patinba
Argentina
Local time: 17:45
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 68
Notes to answerer
Asker: It may be common practice, but, personally, I don't think calling it a solera helps the reader ... I'd prefer something everyone will understand (first vintages)


Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  philgoddard
1 hr
  -> Thanks, Phil!

agree  Jane Martin
1 hr
  -> Thank you, Jane!

agree  pawlik: I think "foundational solera" is more common, meaning dating to the foundation of the bodega in question, rather than the solera foundation date as suggested in your first reference.
11 hrs
  -> Thank you, but I have added some refs that show that the solera is a base wine that is founded.
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Reference comments


23 mins peer agreement (net): +1
Reference: @ Justin

Reference information:
This Amontillado Solera Fundacion is one of the very best. It is taken, as its name maybe gives away, from the ***foundational solera*** and must be of a ripe old age, but wears its years with incredible grace. I may have been softened up a bit by the four top wines that preceeded it, but my notes are extremely, er, enthusiastic.
https://undertheflor.com/2017/06/23/amontillado-solera-funda...

Sorry no time to do more research but it looks as if in the industry they prefer not to translate 'solera'

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/solera

Jane Martin
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
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Peer comments on this reference comment (and responses from the reference poster)
agree  patinba: If I had read your reference entry first, Jane, I would have saved myself some research effort.
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