convivencia de carácter singular, pública, notoria y permanente

English translation: cohabitation of an exclusive, public, widely known and lasting nature

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Spanish term or phrase:	convivencia de carácter singular, pública, notoria y permanente
English translation:	cohabitation of an exclusive, public, widely known and lasting nature
Entered by:	Charles Davis

00:35 Jan 17, 2019

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Law/Patents - Certificates, Diplomas, Licenses, CVs / unión convivencial

Spanish term or phrase: convivencia de carácter singular, pública, notoria y permanente

Estimados/as: Estoy traduciendo un certificado de Unión Convivencial que traduje como "Certificate of Cohabitation" En una parte se lee lo siguiente:

XXX y XXX manifiestan que mantienen una convivencia de carácter singular, pública, notoria y permanente, y que comparten un proyecto de vida en común.

Mi versión:

XXX y XXX declare living together in a singular, public, well-known and permanent way and have a life project in common.

Me gustaría conocer su opinión al respecto. Muchas gracias.

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Local time: 13:05

cohabitation of an exclusive, public, widely known and lasting nature

Explanation:
Another variant to add to the mix.

I think cohabitation is the right word for convivencia. It does of course mean living together, but not merely sharing the same address (which is a necessary but not sufficient condition); here it means living together like a married couple, which normally, though not necessarily, implies a sexual relationship (sex is an expectation but not an indispensable condition of marriage or civil union, except in canon law). Although "living together" carries that implication in English, at least in the UK, I think it would be better to use the word "cohabitation", which is recognised legally (and in sociological terms) as meaning that.

"Singular" means just the two of them, monogamously, with no other co-existing quasi-marital relationships. I think "exclusive" is the best word for this. (Strictly speaking it is not just monogamous; non-exclusive monogamous cohabitation does exist in anthropology, though it's very unusual; in a syndiasmian family several monogamous couples cohabit in a communal household).

"Public" is fine for "público". "Notorio" is very close to it in meaning, and could almost be omitted; its legal meaning is not just unconcealed or open but widely known among the members of their community.

"Permanente" doesn't, of course, mean impossible to terminate, but intended to be permanent. I think you could use "permanent", but I suggest "lasting", since that is really the sense of it.

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Charles Davis
Spain
Local time: 13:05

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4 +2

cohabitation of an exclusive, public, widely known and lasting nature

Charles Davis

3 +1

clearly live together publicly, openly and are in a permanent relationship

David Hollywood

… a cohabitation, which is special, well-known and ongoing in nature …

Marco Paz

4 -1

demonstrate that they maintain a cohabitation that is unique, public, relevant and permanent

Blacjak

3 -1

declare/state that they maintain a public, notorious and permanent cohabitation relationship

Manuel Cedeño Berrueta

Discussion entries: 5

Manuel Cedeño Berrueta

15:50 Jan 31, 2019

Thank you very much, Charles!

Charles Davis

Spain

@Manuel

13:18 Jan 31, 2019

That's an excellent question, which I didn't address. This is just my own view; I'm sure not everyone would agree with it:

I don't think "maintain" is an idiomatic option. To maintain a relationship really means to keep it going, perpetuate it. "Mantener una relación" is just a formal way of saying to have a relationship.
"Have a cohabitation relationship" could be used, but it wouldn't be my first choice. I am not very happy about "cohabitation relationship"; it seems a bit clumsy to me, though it is correct and is said.
Nor, to me, is it idiomatic in English to refer to "a cohabitation". "Cohabitation" is normally, if not invariably, a non-count noun: a state.
I think I would probably say "they declare that they are living in cohabitation of a [...] nature". I am sure that "manifestar" means declare or state here, and I think "live in" collocates well with "cohabitation".

Manuel Cedeño Berrueta

I would like to know

11:21 Jan 31, 2019

I’m not the original asker here, but I have learned some important things from the answers to this question, and I would like to know which verb should be used to translate the verb “mantener” here, since the English phrase nicely describes the nature of the relationship, but
How can I say “mantienen una convivencia de carácter…”?
…maintain a cohabitation relationship of… nature?
…have a cohabitation relationship of… nature?
Something else?
Many thanks!

Charles Davis

Spain

@Blacjak

16:12 Jan 20, 2019

I agree with you that that phrase needs attention. Speaking for myself, I've ignored it because it's not part of the question term, and I think it's tricky to express well, so I copped out.

Blacjak

United States

and "have a life project in common"

16:06 Jan 20, 2019

Why hasn't anyone addressed this? The rest of the original translation is about the same or better quality than most of the responses, but this part (which admittedly was not in the posted title) is VERY clunky.

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41 mins confidence:

… a cohabitation, which is special, well-known and ongoing in nature …

Explanation:
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Marco Paz
Local time: 06:05
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Native speaker of: Spanish
PRO pts in category: 4

2 hrs confidence:

peer agreement (net): +1

clearly live together publicly, openly and are in a permanent relationship

Explanation:
you're really asking multiple questions here but might help you along

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no puedo encontrar un equivalente exacto pero es el sentido...

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en realidad no podés preguntar tantas expresiones al mismo tiempo pero bueno....

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vamos a ver que sucede y suerte

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and are on the same path/page in terms of how they want to live their life

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this is the gist so you see what you can do with it y suerte

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me encanta ayudar y espero que te haya ayudado

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what do you think on this Chris?

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y saludos :)

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switching it a bit

David Hollywood
Local time: 08:05
Native speaker of: English
PRO pts in category: 284

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)

agree

neilmac: Nice, plain speaking solution. Could be expressed slightly more formally for a certificate if necessary.

8 hrs

-> thanks Neil and might need some tweaking I agree

agree

AllegroTrans: The only answer so far that actually is fluent, sensible English of a style that is likely to be used for officialese

11 hrs

-> thanks AT

disagree

Blacjak: Why didn't you translate "singular"? You also didn't translate "notoria" and inserted "openly" for no reason, and "living together" does not meet cohabitation requirements. You say that it's a free translation(by meaning only)-which is not for legal docs.

16 hrs

-> thanks for your comments Blacjak but I have translated every aspect of this ... check it out and my only doubt is the register... before disagreeing have a look at how this can be translated in terms of the meaning (avoiding false friend translations)

13 hrs confidence:

peer agreement (net): -1

declare/state that they maintain a public, notorious and permanent cohabitation relationship

Explanation:
That’s what I would say

Manuel Cedeño Berrueta
Local time: 07:05
Works in field
Native speaker of:

Spanish
PRO pts in category: 56

11 hrs confidence:

peer agreement (net): -1

demonstrate that they maintain a cohabitation that is unique, public, relevant and permanent

Explanation:
"manifiestan que mantienen una convivencia de carácter singular, pública, notoria y permanente, y que comparten un proyecto de vida en común"

"demonstrate that they maintain a cohabitation that is unique, public, relevant and permanent, and that they share a common life goal"

I would choose "common life goal" in light of the subject matter instead of "common life plan."

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"Unique" because they cannot have a bigamous common law marriage. The implication is that it is a monogamous relationship- however, there is a Spanish word for "monogamous" and that was not used. The underlying meaning is that this couple has maintained a meaningful monogamous relationship that they have publicly declared and they are not seeing others on the side. However, to translate it like that would be deviating too much from what is actually written.

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To further clarify, a "cohabitation" in the common law sense of the word means a sexual relationship. Since you would not say "demonstrate that they maintain sexual relationship that is,,,' (without the article "a") and you are using "cohabitation" as a replacement for "sexual relationship" instead of simply as the word meaning to live together (with or without a sexual relationship), the "a" needs to be retained.

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When I say "Common law," I mean "Common law marriage" in case that wasn't clear.

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Finally, this is a "Certificate of Cohabitation" or a Common Law Marriage Certificate. In this statement that is being questioned, the two people who have entered into this common law marriage are attesting that they have met the four requirements of it. To leave out a requirement or simply translate the statement so that it "sounds natural" is to possibly invalidate the certificate. I don't think a person here believes legalese "sounds natural" but words, such as "cohabitation" are important legal terms that cannot be changed because we, personally, would not use them in day-to-day speech.

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I will agree with "declare" if the context is that XXX and XXX are making the statement. I used "demonstrate" because it is not clear from the context if XXX and XXX are making the statement or someone else is making the statement about them. I have seen both.

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Blacjak
United States
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Native speaker of:

English

1 day 6 hrs confidence:

peer agreement (net): +2

cohabitation of an exclusive, public, widely known and lasting nature

Charles Davis
Spain
Local time: 13:05
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Native speaker of: English
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